Bushwhacker is wrong choice for free merc on release

Proxy should have been the merc chosen , I think using her would be more beginner friendly , Bush can be so frustrating to use from placement of turret to basically it feeling underwhelming , It's unresponsive and too easily taken out , having map knowledge helps a great deal with using his ability something newcomers won't have yet gained.

300 hours using him makes me feel this way , not good at putting thoughts into words , so help me out clever people :)

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  • henki000henki000 Posts: 452

    I think it should be Turtle, because he is controversially best engineer right now. But not bushwhacker, I give you that.

  • JonBongNoJoviJonBongNoJovi Posts: 215

    I think you have to consider the fun factor , who is more fun to play as a newcomer ?

  • henki000henki000 Posts: 452

    @JonBongNoJovi

    Well, concidering a server full of default mercs. Skyhammer, Aura and a engineer x. Shield has best synergy with health station, and should teach extra foresight against deployables. Also giving them extra punch against/with advanced players, but still focusing on teamplay.

    @Kirays

    Turrets will slow down game too, but especially on side routes. New players will choose main route, making them more vulnerable targets for assault mercs. Also planting a trap with turret take more time and practice than just covering your side while repairing and giving newcomers first vasilli more protection.

  • teflonloveteflonlove Posts: 671

    @JonBongNoJovi said:
    I think you have to consider the fun factor , who is more fun to play as a newcomer ?

    Many Bushwacker loadouts are a solid choice for gun fights, which I still try to believe is the heart of DB and should be the center of having fun.

    And while I've occasionally been in games with 3 or more competent Bushwackers and can confirm that they can come up with hard to break combinations of turrets that cover each other, most players that have the skill to pull something like that off seem to strive for a well rounded merc roster and a more interesting match instead.

    There is no ELO acronym, the Elo rating is named after the guy who invented it.

  • LoafOfBreadLoafOfBread Posts: 521

    Proxy is like cocaine

    One you use IT, You can't stop using it
    It makes your brain smaller and most importantly
    You wanna rat your neighbor to DEA for doing so and hope he goes to @$!# Guantanamo Bay

  • Rokon2Rokon2 Posts: 118

    @LoafOfBread said:
    Proxy is like cocaine

    One you use IT, You can't stop using it
    It makes your brain smaller and most importantly
    You wanna rat your neighbor to DEA for doing so and hope he goes to @$!# Guantanamo Bay

    @LoafOfBread said:
    Proxy is like cocaine

    One you use IT, You can't stop using it
    It makes your brain smaller and most importantly
    You wanna rat your neighbor to DEA for doing so and hope he goes to @$!# Guantanamo Bay

    The only time I use Proxy is if it's with a Hochfir; not feeling Shotguns as of late, I don't know.

    I personally think Bush is a good choice. He offers some pretty decent area denial granted you're not tossing your turret thinking it'll tank all of the bullets, and it's generally good to help teach players that Engineers are Objective Specialists - fastest at working on Objectives.

  • llSquishyllllSquishyll Posts: 55

    I strongly hate proxy...Shes annoying to me i don't wanna see team stacks with her(not like it doesn't happen already)

  • I've seen too many noob Proxies put mines in terrible places where the enemy can shoot and kill Proxy's own teammates....Bushwhacker is more friendly to new players because his turret can distract the enemy allowing them to sometimes get a kill.

  • STARRYSOCKSTARRYSOCK Posts: 1,740

    @Mr.Cuddlesworth said:
    I've seen too many noob Proxies put mines in terrible places where the enemy can shoot and kill Proxy's own teammates

    I totally forgot about that. That's probably one of the biggest arguments against proxy tbh, she can be a major liability to her team.

    It could even lead to intentional griefing too. Sure you can throw a pancake into your team for an enemy to shoot already, but opening that up for free to new players is kinda just asking for it.

  • frostyvampirefrostyvampire Posts: 1,193

    Bushwhacker is a good choice. Proxy is not.

    Proxy requires map knowledge to know where to place mines, and you need to be aware of their location. With Bush you can just place a turret and forget about it. You can also place it pretty much anywhere and not be useless

    We already have a starting merc with a shotgun and a merc with an assault rifle, so a free merc with SMG's will complete the set. We don't need 2 starting shotgun mercs.

    Proxy is cancer

  • I was gonna give you a like or agree but you had to call my dear Proxy a bad name :(

  • Begin2018Begin2018 Posts: 192
    edited March 24

    Bushwhacker is a better choice than Proxy for newbies because he has more life and fine weapons. And you can transform 1v1 combats to 2v1 (you and your turret).

  • arharr3arharr3 Posts: 73

    Proxy requires map knowledge to know where to place mines

    You dont need map knowledge when you only use it as a high damage explosive that can be thrown. Because thats what every Proxy does.

  • SorotiaSorotia Posts: 1,536

    Proxy the most user friendly? A squishy wild spray merc user friendly?

    Just because a lot of newbs and scrubs use her for easy mine kills or spray and pray shotgunning doesn't make her user friendly.

    Plus being the squishiest Engineer doing a job that can leave you pretty vulnerable isn't very user friendly.

  • XenithosXenithos Posts: 1,747Special Editor
    edited March 25

    @Eox said:
    Proxy is already overly popular, terribly played overall and tend to really make pubs tiresome. Let's not make pubs even more of a shitshow than it currently is, thank you.

    Had a beautiful ranked match just earlier... I'm a gold officer/master placed with 3 bronze level players and an unranked, versus two silvers, a gold agent, and two unranked. The worst part? Every single one of the people brought freaking Proxy. PROXY. TO RANKED! I lost btw, couldn't carry 4 proxies on defense.

                       WTF!!@!!!!@#@!$!@%
    

    edit: Wow... I did something cool^

    I don't care how much you've played or how good your aim is - If you haven't touched the game at least twice in three months then I see your "opinion" as hot moot.

  • XenithosXenithos Posts: 1,747Special Editor

    @Melinder said:

    @JonBongNoJovi said:
    I think you have to consider the fun factor , who is more fun to play as a newcomer ?

    I could be playing tennis, and I would find it more fun to just throw tennis balls at peoples heads, but would I really be playing tennis? :thinking:

    THIS MAN KNOWS ENGLISH!

    I don't care how much you've played or how good your aim is - If you haven't touched the game at least twice in three months then I see your "opinion" as hot moot.

  • azz_abdrazz_abdr Posts: 119
    edited March 27

    NO!
    Proxy for starter is a disaster! Mines are friendly fire (a year old bug) that she could wipe her entire team in hand of rookies, I hate that kind of Proxy. And she has shotguns. Two factor that make her really bad for beginners but too god for pros.

    Bush is the right choice, he has turret that can be used for offensive and defensive, he has beginner friendly guns and more health than proxy.

    Turtle will force them to camp behind shield instead of push with the shield.

    And Fletcher definitely not beginner friendly.

  • I agree with Bush being the Free Eng on release.
    To many Proxy/Fletcher would be an issue in so many levels, to many turtle could be an issue in few maps as well. while to many bush being the least problematic issue out of the 4 choices.

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