Dreiss AR overpowered ?

EoxEox FrancePosts: 2,965Moderator
So, I just finished a game on Chapel where I picked up Arty, just to try that Obsidian Loadout card. I wasn't a great fan of Arty, until I discovered that thingy. It's a carbine, I love carbines ! I tried him a bit and... Well. I managed to roll on five guys in a row with it. Love the weapon but heck it hits like a truck shipping trucks ! I hope it's just me that is very good with Carbines because at the moment it seemed to deal craptons of damage.

So fine or not fine ? I need to make a damage test on it.

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  • ReddeadcapReddeadcap Posts: 1,282
    You must be doing really great, I've never liked it how it felt at all, most other people say they dislike it aswell.
  • EoxEox FrancePosts: 2,965Moderator
    Redcap wrote: »
    You must be doing really great, I've never liked it how it felt at all, most other people say they dislike it aswell.

    Heh, maybe I was lucky also. :p
  • einstyleeinstyle Posts: 273
    only thing I like about Arty is the Dreiss
    I'm happy it received it's needed buff, but I'm not sure if it's already in the right place, might have to do some more matches to determine that
    (I would have loved some hipfiring improvments tho B))
  • GildedDarkGildedDark Posts: 439
    From just a few matches with arty's dreiss i can really tell a difference from what it was previously and i like it much more now than what i did
  • OccultOccult Posts: 334
    the buff helped a lot, i don't feel like im shooting as many blanks now.
  • adetoadeto Posts: 105
    It's a great rifle if you like using ADS. Personally don't even have ADS binded, that's how much I don't use it xD
  • It's the only weapon that matters, pre-"buff" it had the same rate of fire that it got buffed back with recently, so it's always been a decent gun, the 1 damage more from 24 made it possible to double headshot kill 100 hp classes!

    Let's be honest, no one likes Arty, expect the few dedicated @$!# who puts in time and then suddenly becomes dangerous with the semi automatic AR Dreiss.

    The Battle rifle? HAH
    The Aug? More like the worst burst gun
    The AR Dreiss? Pew pew marksmanship!
  • SzakalotSzakalot Posts: 3,173
    battle rifle is awesome : you can snipe IS or use it ad no scope shotgun. really sucks at midrange though
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  • EoxEox FrancePosts: 2,965Moderator
    Small question. Does "spamming" the shots hinders precision ? I see my crosshair doing "jumps" if I spam my shots, so I don't know if at long range I should time my shots or if I can go crazy.
  • SzakalotSzakalot Posts: 3,173
    Eox wrote: »
    Small question. Does "spamming" the shots hinders precision ? I see my crosshair doing "jumps" if I spam my shots, so I don't know if at long range I should time my shots or if I can go crazy.

    there are some bugs with animation. each shot gives you slight recoil, sometimes two shots come out at once giving twice as much recoil.

    Same thing happens to the PDP sniper
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  • watsyurdealwatsyurdeal Posts: 4,720
    Dreiss op?


    Hardly, if anything, I feel the gun's role isn't really signified very well here in the game.

    The way I see it, the gun should get a damage buff and a RoF nerf. 30 damage instead of 25 will be AMAZING for this gun, that and I don't understand why the gun needs to kick so much while iron sighting. It's clearly a battle rifle, there's no denying that, so hipfire doesn't need to be amazing, but iron sighting and mid to long range combat is where this gun should shine.
    So hey, I have a small guide here you may like, go ahead, read it, you know you want to.


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  • The gun is still pretty bad imo, why use it over fragger's mg, the ak, m4, or any rifle really? Spamming bullets overtime makes the gun's spread get worse -- a dumb mechanic that inhibits it's effectiveness the most -- and it only accurate while ads. I'd rather have this gun do a bit less dmg and be a laser beam. That would make the gun feel more rewarding and fun.
  • SzakalotSzakalot Posts: 3,173
    30 base damage would work too, thats 2 HS to take out any medium.

    'why use it over fragger' applies to every class atm. : P
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  • god1god1 Posts: 363
    I'd rather have this gun do a bit less dmg and be a laser beam. That would make the gun feel more rewarding and fun.
    But Skyhammer's default already fills that spot.
  • CCP115CCP115 Posts: 1,426
    I don't understand what the devs wanted, Skyhammer has hands down the best rifle in the history of shooty guns, while Arty? He got the toy gun that runs on coal.
  • watsyurdealwatsyurdeal Posts: 4,720
    Arty's gun needs to be a battle rifle, it doesn't need a fast rate of fire, it needs stopping power.
    So hey, I have a small guide here you may like, go ahead, read it, you know you want to.


    ダーティーボムは非常に良いですが、あなたは非常に悪いです
  • GregHouseMDGregHouseMD Posts: 366
    After using it for a few matches ( I'm apparently one of the suckers who loves Arty's precision artillery ), I . . . find myself almost agreeing. I really feel like my efforts to get better at aiming ( as opposed to holding down LMB and going AHHHHHH ) pay off with that gun. I've had some fine moments with it.
  • CCP115CCP115 Posts: 1,426
    It's still a terrible gun.
  • ViquelViquel Posts: 174
    It's still a terrible gun.
    only by comparison because others are so much better :disappointed:
  • vdllvdll Posts: 384
    The gun is good, but clicking 360 rpm hurts my fingers too much :(
  • Thai-SanThai-San Posts: 445
    Oh, here is a topic about the Dreiss, didn't see that. :D
    Just posted in another topic but i think my post fits more in this one
    ThaiSan wrote: »
    I really like the feel of the Dreiss, semi auto rifles in general (always loved the Combat Rifle in Blacklight Retribution) but i think some point are kinda bad. The firerate was buffed in one of the recent patches but I don't see a situation where you could use that for it's full potential (except when the enemy is right up your face) In ads the recoil is too hight to really use fast shooting and when you fire from the hip the spread gets unbearable after the 2-3 fast shot in a row. Maybe I use it wrong, but wouldn't it be better to have a lower ads recoil and/or a better hip spread then buffing it's fire rate?
  • god1god1 Posts: 363

    ThaiSan wrote: »
    Oh, here is a topic about the Dreiss, didn't see that. :D
    Just posted in another topic but i think my post fits more in this one
    ThaiSan wrote: »
    I really like the feel of the Dreiss, semi auto rifles in general (always loved the Combat Rifle in Blacklight Retribution) but i think some point are kinda bad. The firerate was buffed in one of the recent patches but I don't see a situation where you could use that for it's full potential (except when the enemy is right up your face) In ads the recoil is too hight to really use fast shooting and when you fire from the hip the spread gets unbearable after the 2-3 fast shot in a row. Maybe I use it wrong, but wouldn't it be better to have a lower ads recoil and/or a better hip spread then buffing it's fire rate?
    If you made the gun easier to use via recoil and spread reductions it would become problematic balance-wise imo.
  • vdllvdll Posts: 384
    Yeah, combat rifle from Blacklight feels very accurate and powerful, wich is compensated by rather high recoil (at least the last time I played BLR, it was), so you can't use it at max ROF. The problem is, most loadouts in BLR fall to 3 rifle body shots, while in DB it's impossible (talking about body shots, mind you).

    I guess devs were trying to balance Dreiss' very high DPS and perhaps punished it a little too much?
  • xRogerxRoger Posts: 24
    edited May 2015
    I don't even see why the Dreiss AR should be semi-auto. Hardly anyone uses Arty because it takes a lot more focus to keep tap-firing at a consistent 360 rpm. Unless you use a macro, which automatically makes you a c***.

    They should make the Dreiss fully automatic and introduce a proper DMR alternative to Arty if they want him to be a long-range Support. Isn't he meant to be a higher damage Support as opposed to your typical laser accurate Skyhammer?

    In the meantime if you want DMRs, I suggest you wait for Redeye or use the Loadout Card with the spammy Autosniper.



  • vdllvdll Posts: 384
    Luckily, Arty also has burst rifles in his arsenal with really good augments, too.
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