Let people choose their own teams in public objective?

wordyStarwordyStar Posts: 3
edited September 2015 in Objective
Unbelievable. It was already hard to get on your friend's team or allow people to self-police and self-balance in objective public matches, now it's impossible.

The result is that 99% of the matches I've played are either first objective full holds or super fast landslides. Today I watched bridge go down faster than I have ever seen it.
Stopwatch is too much map back to back, and everyone I know avoids it unless there is a mission, and then we grudgingly play one or two matches to get the mission over with.

Private matches aren't open to the public and don't earn $, so hardly ever play them either.
People are now basically moving into spec and wasting the first 2-3 minutes of every game trying to switch teams.
Also, it is insane that people cannot choose a merc loadout for offense or defense anymore, they have to guess and hope or waste several minutes spamming to switch teams with the console command.

Put it back, and consider letting people form parties so they can stay on a single team together even in public objective mode.

Let people choose their own teams in public objective? 85 votes

Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
48%
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No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
51%
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  • LissxyLissxy Posts: 133
    Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    I wish they would come up with a system that allows you to group up with friends so you can join the match together and end up in the same team.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Not knowing up front if you're defending or attacking is a huge disadvantage and only results is really crappy unbalanced teams. It's also going to increase the gap between public and competitive matches as on public you will now start composing your personal team based on "best average" instead of "best attack" or "best defense" composition.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Taking away the ability to choose is rubbing people the wrong way, as the polls here and over on SD are showing.
    http://forums.warchest.com/showthread.php/46071-let-people-choose-their-own-teams-and-play-with-their-friends-on-objective-public

    Would be interesting to see pre and post patch population and objective match completion stats.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Not sure how the poll is biased. Have you been playing matches?

    Every match I've played since the patch has had people sitting in spec and trying to switch teams for the first several minutes, usually @$!# up balance bad for the first objective.

    Then, once those people switch, or people quit and come back to change their loadouts, that leads other people to change their loadouts when all of a sudden there aren't enough engies or medics.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    playing with friends is awfull/painfull/horrible in this game (atm).
    everytime when we want to play together - nearly everyday - its always a pain trying to play at the same team (excluding stopwatch).
    there isn't even a formula that goes like:
    "hey those guys a friends, lets add a 60% chance they end up in the same team"
  • gg2ezgg2ez Posts: 2,565
    Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Biased poll is biased.

    KEK is love, KEK is life.
  • They could just let you choose your mercs in the first 30 sec of the match or make a pop up before you enter and load the map asking if you want the mercs you have. I also dislike losing because we only had engineers in our team.
  • HexenHexen Posts: 7
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    How would you and your friends teaming up in a pub make it less one sided? I've never seen anyone switch onto a losing team before much less hanging out in spectator to attempt it.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    3N1GM4 wrote: »
    All i got out of this is "I want to pub stomp"

    If you want to play with your friends and create parties, play with your friends and create a party... and play competitive.

    A friend and I have attempted queuing for competitive five different times on five different days at different times:
    1:00PM EST on a Saturday
    6:50PM EST on a Friday
    12:30PM EST on a Sunday
    4:00PM EST on a Wednesday
    5:15PM EST on a Thursday

    Each time, we queued together for five minutes, checking all boxes so that was we would join games regardless of map. By the five minute mark for every single game, we couldn't queue up into a competitive match.

    In comparison, it takes an average of 2 minutes in CS:GO to queue for competitive with map restrictions on Dust II.

    There isn't a large player base for competitive yet. Why should I try hopelessly queuing for a lobby that I know I will never get to?
    You can choose teams in CS:GO, you can choose teams in TF2, you can choose whether you want to attack or defend in nearly every game available. Team stacking is a risk in any game, but deliberating making the teams unknown before the start of a game is just frustrating when trying to play with friends or trying to pick a pool of mercs you'd want to play as.

    On a side note, it's far easier to grief if you've got a friend on the other team. Find each other on the map, throw three sticky bombs onto your friend, let him go meet his teammates and fun times are to be had.
  • AdamAdam Posts: 1,044
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    Very biast poll here. I think it should be 100% removed. The balancing system sucks, because it allows people to move. If we removed it, it would have an easier time. 99% of forum qq over unbalancing, is because someone moved, and @$!# up all the numbers. It works it the most logical way possible. Best player with the worst, and evenly divide the average. But when the best play moves over, to play with his friends, you get a team of good people, verses a team of average players, and a noob.
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    I know i voted yes, but now that i actually think about it, its a horrible idea, if players are allowed to pick their teams, then all the best and highest level players would want to be on the same team, and the noobs, or the lowest level players would get stuck in a noob team, and as much fun as that would be for the team with more experienced players, its just wouldest be fun for Dirty Bombs new generation of players.
  • No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    Lissxy wrote: »
    I wish they would come up with a system that allows you to group up with friends so you can join the match together and end up in the same team.

    Problem with that is that Clans could group up and then every public match would be a one-sided landslide. So you get to group with your mate but every time you do your against a team with 4 or 5 clan members on vent well organised playing against that every match would kill the game quicker then the current unbalanced team issues.

    Under the OP's proposal I would delete Dirty Bomb and never look back.
  • MTLMortisMTLMortis Posts: 462
    wordyStar wrote: »
    Unbelievable. It was already hard to get on your friend's team or allow people to self-police and self-balance in objective public matches, now it's impossible.

    Not in my experience, and I play with 2 other friends nightly.
    wordyStar wrote: »
    The result is that 99% of the matches I've played are either first objective full holds or super fast landslides. Today I watched bridge go down faster than I have ever seen it.
    Stopwatch is too much map back to back, and everyone I know avoids it unless there is a mission, and then we grudgingly play one or two matches to get the mission over with.[/quotee]

    Learn to self-regulate for balanced matches then.

    wordyStar wrote: »
    Private matches aren't open to the public and don't earn $, so hardly ever play them either.
    People are now basically moving into spec and wasting the first 2-3 minutes of every game trying to switch teams.

    In a court of law, this is what we term... speculation.
    wordyStar wrote: »
    Also, it is insane that people cannot choose a merc loadout for offense or defense anymore, they have to guess and hope or waste several minutes spamming to switch teams with the console command.

    This is because you are supposed to make meaningful choices. Being able to take the best defensive and best offensive mercs defeats the purpose of making those choices.
    wordyStar wrote: »
    Put it back, and consider letting people form parties so they can stay on a single team together even in public objective mode.

    Sure, they should have party formation for pubs, but that should not come at the expense of balanced matches and fair play.
  • OccultOccult Posts: 334
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    sure i want to join a game and see a whole clan on one side and no one on the other, sounds balanced
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Its annoying to be ''hoping'' to be in your friends team, instead of just being sure you can play together
  • To be honest I am not bothered by this. It is fun to both play with and against your friends.
  • XyfurionXyfurion Posts: 489
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    If people chose their own teams, things would be more unbalanced than ever. I went into a match that had two very high levels (37 and 41) and everyone else was sub level 25. One of these guys was FL!YING @$!#. The MM tried to balance the teams. The two guys were friend and one told the other to get on his team. The dude did and proceeded to stomp on everyone the entire match as well as spamming chat.

    Personally I think It's fun to play with and against your friends especially if you are voice calling them.

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  • LifeupOmegaLifeupOmega Posts: 1,935
    Option C: Funnel everyone into MM, split team/solo queue, eventually leading to better matches which you can play alongside friends.
    You don't need to learn how to aim in Dirty Bomb if you just use Bursts, Shotguns or Sniper Rifles.
  • Option D: VOTE DONALD TRUMP!!!
  • Option D: VOTE DONALD TRUMP!!!

    *Option D
  • Yes, let people choose their own teams and allow for good loadout choices
    Another thing: Missions.
    Sometimes, getting gamemode exp is faster than Execution
    Combat and Support EXP is faster than Execution.
  • RedBeardRedBeard Posts: 259
    It would be better than the attempt at balance currently in place.
  • SamillWongSamillWong Posts: 96
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    Doesn't that just intensifies the pub stomp situation?
  • No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    That would just make the already crummy pub situation worse. People being able to choose their own teams would result in people taking forever to choose. Plus, you said "Self-police." Haha. Let us cast our minds back to the things known as "Vote Kick" and "Vote Shuffle" and let us think about how those things completely @$!# up gameplay when some whiny 8 year old decides he doesn't like the way the match is going, or the arrogant level 4 that thinks that you're useless because you're Vassili, even though you're on top of the board and he's on the bottom. Then let us think about how much worse that would be if people could choose teams from the beginning. What needs to happen is for the devs to replace the stupid AI that chooses teams with a smarter AI, not for the devs to give that role into the still stupider hands of the players.
  • ExavidosExavidos Posts: 35
    I currently don't know what's gonna happen with the Server browser after the release the of casual matchmaking but even if you can't change your team it would be good that you can see your team or atleast pick loadout for offense and defense. For example I have always one medic and one engineer with me. So I have one free slot for other merc. So if I now play Bridge I would pick Nader on Offense but Skyhammer on defense. Currently it is a 50/50 gamble. (OK, there is a chance that I will be able to change the team ingame, but I hardly do that if there is no real stomp)
  • Dr_PlantbossDr_Plantboss Posts: 507
    No, don't let people choose their teams, instead keep wasting every match start
    FOR G*D'S SAKE NO! Do you WANT team stackers? This would just create an even bigger issue. (Not that there aren't already team stackers, but...)
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