Team balance

unrulyyunrulyy Posts: 47
I just played matchmaking. Is there no team balance? Like at all? Please implement it asap.
Combined ranks were 33 to 56. Having to sit through 20 minutes of spawnkilling isn't very fun.

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  • ostmustisostmustis Posts: 207
    there is no number on ranks
  • unrulyyunrulyy Posts: 47
    Whatever, levels then. You get what I mean, having balanced teams in matchmaking isn't working.
  • It might be buggy, but in comp, you can find someone being lvl15-20 & gold 4 for example...
    So if you are Gold 4 as well.. matchmaking will just make you play against each other...
    But I have to admit that sometimes, game are really unbalanced (4 premades against 5 random people shouldn't happen)
  • XavienXXavienX Posts: 2,404
    Team shuffle by skill should be automatic.
  • CtrixCtrix Posts: 912
    It might be buggy, but in comp, you can find someone being lvl15-20 & gold 4 for example...
    So if you are Gold 4 as well.. matchmaking will just make you play against each other...
    But I have to admit that sometimes, game are really unbalanced (4 premades against 5 random people shouldn't happen)

    How do you propose premades should work then? (Hint: there's no other way)
  • Black_BobBlack_Bob Posts: 37
    If due to a long wait time two teams of different skills are matched and forced to play, the server should make the highest ranking/strongest team the attackers.

    Making the strongest ranked team the attackers means they will set a very fast time, if you are outclassed and attacking first the match lasts 15 mins on attack then 2 mins of defence wasting both teams time!
  • squiidsquiid Posts: 22
    It's unbalanced simply because of not enough people playing competitive. There is proper matchmaking, however the game would rather put you in a 3 minute queue with ranks from everywhere rather than a 50 minute queue matching all 10 players in the same skill group. Premades are the big issue and it's because there's not enough people premading. If 100 people queue for competitive, and only 5 of that 100 are in a group and the other 95 are all randoms, it's not fair to not allow the 5 man group to not play because nobody else is in a party.

    All this will be fixed with the game growing and more and more people begin to play competitive. Look at other games for instance, when they are first released competitive is usually pretty bad also, but overtime as the player base grows and grows things seem to get better. Just hold on tight, it's worth it.
  • unrulyyunrulyy Posts: 47
    I don't know..I haven't played for a while because of cheaters, but back when I did the queue was ~10 seconds to find a match..
    I felt if they base match-making mechanisms on MM rank it's fine BUT this MM rank shouldn't count before truly reflecting a player's skill level. See CSGO for example, there you needed to win 10 matches before getting a MM rank. DB should be similar IMO and until someone's MM rank is properly calculated the level you get via your XP progress would be a much better indicator. Premade teams do have an advantage, but also there it just takes one other variable in the equation to make it fairer.

    Yeah, MM rank will work when everyone has played for a while but in the mean time there are far better ways to balance match-making which wouldn't lead to a longer queue.
  • MTLMortisMTLMortis Posts: 462
    edited August 2015
    squiid wrote: »
    It's unbalanced simply because of not enough people playing competitive.

    There aren't enough players in competitive because there is a systemic cheating problem. Till that is resolved with solid anti-cheat systems in place competitive will remain a farce and hated by a majority of players. This is the exact opposite of what the game is supposed to be about.

  • CtrixCtrix Posts: 912
    edited August 2015
    nocin wrote: »
    I don't know..I haven't played for a while because of cheaters, but back when I did the queue was ~10 seconds to find a match..
    It's pretty exactly a minute everytime for me at gold. Probably the point where it goes and opens up for lower ranks. Mostly unranked though. I've not seen a bronze yet, and only the rare silver so that's good.

  • Ok idk how the game chooses teams but unfortunately they are doing it wrong at least in competitive. My entire team were single digit lvls while the lowest lvl for the other team was 15.
  • Last match I played : http://imgur.com/zAMXY0G

    4 Unranked with me V/S 4 Gold + 1 Cobalt. Deal with it.
  • Alex)(AndraAlex)(Andra Posts: 10
    edited October 2015
    And again : http://imgur.com/9UC5dyy

    Dat balance tho...
  • TayskiTayski Posts: 74
    the only way not to get @$!# in competitive is to have 4 or 5 premades. If you play with 2 randoms or more it usually ends in a loss. It's quite similar in CS:GO actually.
  • If only they could make a longer matchmaking, something like 5 minutes of waiting, but you'll have only people from your rank... That would be great.

    I don't mind waiting more, if I can have a decent match.
  • Going home after work. I launch my PC, I watch some videos, I launch Dirty Bomb, I start a competitive match.
    Result : Me (Gold 4) and 4 Unrank V/S 3 Gold 1 and 2 Cobalt.
    Ok, I'll go to sleep...

    Please, do something about it... I just want to play. If I want to get f*cked I can ask anybody when I want, and it's free too.
  • HakiHaki Posts: 290
    Going home after work. I launch my PC, I watch some videos, I launch Dirty Bomb, I start a competitive match.
    Result : Me (Gold 4) and 4 Unrank V/S 3 Gold 1 and 2 Cobalt.
    Ok, I'll go to sleep...

    Please, do something about it... I just want to play. If I want to get f*cked I can ask anybody when I want, and it's free too.


    You know you can just play Objective/Stopwatch mode ?
    if you "just want to play" there's your option :)
  • M4st0d0nM4st0d0n Posts: 190
    How do you propose premades should work then? (Hint: there's no other way)

    Premades matched against premades maybe huh?
    Black_Bob wrote: »
    If due to a long wait time two teams of different skills are matched and forced to play, the server should make the highest ranking/strongest team the attackers.

    Making the strongest ranked team the attackers means they will set a very fast time, if you are outclassed and attacking first the match lasts 15 mins on attack then 2 mins of defence wasting both teams time!

    This is a great Idea. Or an option to surrender. Everyone can stand a lobsided match, what kills the fun in the long run for both is having to waste your time for it to end.
  • Alex)(AndraAlex)(Andra Posts: 10
    edited October 2015
    Haki wrote: »
    Going home after work. I launch my PC, I watch some videos, I launch Dirty Bomb, I start a competitive match.
    Result : Me (Gold 4) and 4 Unrank V/S 3 Gold 1 and 2 Cobalt.
    Ok, I'll go to sleep...

    Please, do something about it... I just want to play. If I want to get f*cked I can ask anybody when I want, and it's free too.


    You know you can just play Objective/Stopwatch mode ?
    if you "just want to play" there's your option :)

    But, Stopwatch IS the competitive mode... Isn't it ? Or maybe I'm dumb.

    And seriously ? I should not play competitive because the dev cannot make a correct matchmaking ?
    Or maybe the dev team should make a balanced matchmaking so I can play competitive...

    The game is free to play, ok, but if a feature doesn't work, it's not MY problem.
    I paid things with real money, I think I have the right to tell that something is wrong with the game.

    I just want the matchmaking to be fixed, it's not funny to be rekt in a minute, neither to rekt the other team in a minute...
    Both case are boring, and it's bad for the future of the game.

    It's just a beta, but I think this should be a priority.
  • CtrixCtrix Posts: 912
    edited November 2015
    Competitive is stopwatch, but stopwatch isn't competitive.

    When I get into Competitive, it's always a close game.
  • Alex)(AndraAlex)(Andra Posts: 10
    edited November 2015
    Yeah, soooo close... http://imgur.com/TQ8jSuy
    It was sooooo hard... Sooooo balanced...

    (Yes, last update, the update where they "fixed" the matchmaking)
  • RedBeardRedBeard Posts: 259
    edited April 2016
    Xavien wrote: »
    Team shuffle by skill should be automatic.

    @Xavien It also does a s-h-i-t job...
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