Changes to Anti-Hack Policies – Zero Tolerance

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  • TemporaryTemporary Posts: 85
    CC_FANG wrote: »
    Temporary wrote: »
    @CC_FANG Do we get a confirmation of the outcome when we report cheaters? So far I've only seen tickets closed with no actual information regarding what happened.

    Sorry if this has already been answered.

    I've never known Nexon to do this, other than an occasional mention of someone who is exceedingly blatant. Basically they can't discuss another user's account with you is why.

    I'm not sure how they are handling various aspects regarding bans, since the game is through Steam and user accounts are handled differently, they are doubtless having to make new policies. For example in other games we can check a Wall of Shame for a listing of banned/suspended users, or view their profile page which shows if they are banned or suspended. Probably not the information you want, but hope it helps a bit :)

    I figured it was going to be a privacy issue but thought i may as well ask anyway, thanks for the info and the quick response :smile:
  • LumiLumi Posts: 1,092
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    I've been falsely accused of cheating soo many times that I lost count long time ago. Doesn't give me a bad name overall. Just those who thought I am cheating are those who kept on sticking to that idea. Those who weren't close minded sw past that anyway and I never got a bad name with those, which incidentally are the majority.
    There's a big difference between being accused in a game where everyone who sees the accusation can see you play to randomly stumbling across an accusation on a forum. Especially if mindless followers support the accusation with follow up posts.

    Even so, an accusation on forum needs even tougher proof then an accusation in-game where one can see if one is or not cheating. And regarding mindless followers, I like to believe that the DB community is smarter than that, but I might be wrong.

    In any case, I'm not trying the get the rules changed, I care to little about cheaters to make a fuss about wanting them to be shamed. Just got poked by this censure that otherwise isn't present in the game.
  • Nev3rmoreNev3rmore Posts: 7
    There is a cheater lately who is using rhino. Lvl 19. Competitive and pub. He's still playing. FFS do something. He's ruining our experience both in competitive and pub.
  • Ardez1Ardez1 Posts: 3,288
    Nevermore wrote: »
    There is a cheater lately who is using rhino. Lvl 19. Competitive and pub. He's still playing. FFS do something. He's ruining our experience both in competitive and pub.

    Have you tried reporting him?
    I am a volunteer moderator on these forums. My opinion is my own and does not represent the opinion of Splash Damage or Nexon.
  • elegantKingelegantKing ManilaPosts: 14
    I'm worried about this policy... I heard some people get autobanned by the anti-cheat without even cheating and I'm afraid it migiht happen to me because of several games I've played before that does this. It's either they mistake BitDefender as a hack or their anti-cheat is just @$!#. In this case, XIGNCODE is @$!#. I've played an FPS before that XIGNCODE killed because it recognized all Win7 users as hackers rendering the game irreprably unplayable, til now. Game pop dropped by 40%. GG. I fear that XIGNCODE might @$!# this up again.
  • NailNail Wpg, CanadaPosts: 3,534
    we all do
    moop
  • mrlong2mrlong2 Posts: 115
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    Ok I get it then, but it raises another question: why a name&shame issue? If you cheat, you should know what's coming for you and if you don't, then exposing your name won't matter. Furthermore, the game itself is public, people are allowed to stream it without having to blackout names and if I join a game I can see who I am playing with and against, no hiding there. So this measure seems a bit like arbitrary censure to me. Unless you have concrete examples of what it is supposed to achieve, I'm just not getting it.
    I totally agree that real hackers deserve to be name and shamed. The no name and shame rule exists to protect those falsely accused from getting a bad name. And people get falsely accused all the time.

    I don't really see naming and shaming as the issue. Hackers live for stories like 1x1x1x1. Personally, I think the no naming and shaming rule more importantly prevents hackers from getting the glory, fame, and attention they want. What if some guy was a blatant hacker who always used the same username and picture and always said the same catchphrases? He might get a fanclub on steam or some highly rated artwork on the artwork page. Then it'd look like hacking is glorified, which, many people hate hackers and believe they ruin the overall experience of a competitive game.
  • Ardez1Ardez1 Posts: 3,288
    imho the biggest issue with naming and shaming is that the player isn't always a hacker. Yes, there are some cases where it is obvious that a player is hacking, but it is those cases in between where a player wants to believe that they lost because the enemy was hacking.

    The problem is that rules generally deal in absolutes and if we start making exceptions to rules then it becomes impossible to enforce them effectively.
    I am a volunteer moderator on these forums. My opinion is my own and does not represent the opinion of Splash Damage or Nexon.
  • prodiGprodiG Posts: 12
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    False accusations are no joke. I get called a cheater in just about every second game. Would really piss me off to see my account disappear because I'm playing well. The flattery has more than worn off on me by now.

    I don't suppose reporting people for falsely accusing players is a thing, now is it? The cycle usually goes: someone calls me a cheater, people buy in and get frustrated, a few players quit, the game becomes imbalanced and my team ends up in their spawn killing everyone, making more people quit. It's a vicious cycle.
  • -EG0_-EG0_ Posts: 18
    I like the policy. I however will like to see a more user friendly kick vote system implemented.
    Maybe f8 and select player to be reported or vote kicked, and have the other players a better view of why is the player being voted. I was playing and saw the upper left corner a message for vote kicking. There was so much going on that I didnt even noticed it. We need to be able to see these messages more clearly and have an easier way to vote kick if we are to deal with bum hackers.
  • -EG0_-EG0_ Posts: 18
    prodiG wrote: »
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    False accusations are no joke. I get called a cheater in just about every second game. Would really piss me off to see my account disappear because I'm playing well. The flattery has more than worn off on me by now.

    I don't suppose reporting people for falsely accusing players is a thing, now is it? The cycle usually goes: someone calls me a cheater, people buy in and get frustrated, a few players quit, the game becomes imbalanced and my team ends up in their spawn killing everyone, making more people quit. It's a vicious cycle.

    Don't pay no mind to false hacckusations. I'm pretty sure GMs have a pretty good way to determine if a person is hacking or not. Every game have hackusators whom are usually worst than the hackers itself lol.
  • DomMafiaDomMafia Posts: 53
    prodiG wrote: »
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    False accusations are no joke. I get called a cheater in just about every second game. Would really piss me off to see my account disappear because I'm playing well. The flattery has more than worn off on me by now.

    I don't suppose reporting people for falsely accusing players is a thing, now is it? The cycle usually goes: someone calls me a cheater, people buy in and get frustrated, a few players quit, the game becomes imbalanced and my team ends up in their spawn killing everyone, making more people quit. It's a vicious cycle.

    http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/12268/is-anyone-reporting-the-hackers

    Hmm i guess one of you is wrong lol
  • lavaJukeboxlavaJukebox Posts: 23
    edited June 2015
    DomMafia wrote: »

    Hackusations happen in-game every game. Learn to deal with them or report people like DomMafia for doing it. (like i did)
  • DaergarDaergar Posts: 301
    Reported my first hacker today, mostly because it was a level 29 and that truly blew my mind. I would think that you'd get bored eventually, guess I lack the mindset for it.

    Also it worries me a fair bit someone that's using blatantly obvious cheats, aimbot and esp in this case, is still playing at 29.

    They didn't even engage in chat to gloat, which was weird!
  • NailNail Wpg, CanadaPosts: 3,534
    edited June 2015
    Nail wrote: »
    xignpoop hasn't caught 1 cheater but stops about 25% of players joining, someone explain why it is still even on


    @MissMurder , @MistaSparkle , @CC_FANG , @GM-Radrodo , either make it work or remove it entirely, it's only making things worse
    moop
  • Glottis-3DGlottis-3D Posts: 418
    i think community needs to know whether a cheater is banned. especially if it is a known player. ban list should be public.
  • AazhydAazhyd Posts: 662
    Saw an L28 player yesterday, who 1-shotted people with his pistol. When we called him out on cheating, he left. That's the most blatant hacker I encountered so far.
  • LumiLumi Posts: 1,092
    Daergar wrote: »
    Reported my first hacker today, mostly because it was a level 29 and that truly blew my mind. I would think that you'd get bored eventually, guess I lack the mindset for it.

    Also it worries me a fair bit someone that's using blatantly obvious cheats, aimbot and esp in this case, is still playing at 29.

    They didn't even engage in chat to gloat, which was weird!

    Level alone, doesn't mean cheat. I've seen people level 34. Remember that there are players that have been playing this since the alpha, and hence, their level can be very high. Now it still doesn't imply that they aren't cheating but it is not a reason as to get suspicious about it.
  • AazhydAazhyd Posts: 662
    Cheaters get tons of XP, so they level up much faster than anyone else.

    (Not saying all higher levels are cheaters.)
  • DaergarDaergar Posts: 301
    Lumi wrote: »
    Level alone, doesn't mean cheat. I've seen people level 34. Remember that there are players that have been playing this since the alpha, and hence, their level can be very high. Now it still doesn't imply that they aren't cheating but it is not a reason as to get suspicious about it.

    The funny thing is I knew I should have elaborated further, knowing someone would misunderstand. My bad.

    Even with gaining a lot of xp faster than everyone else, it still takes a fair number of hours to reach level 29. I know how long it took myself to get to 27, playing fair but decently well.

    My point was that they have obviously been active for quite some time, using blatant cheats. Unless they, for magical reasons, decided to begin cheating recently, which strikes me as a tad unlikely.

    Surely someone reported them before all this, and still active. Worrisome, neh?
  • exultantMuffinexultantMuffin Posts: 6
    edited June 2015
    I just encountered a hacker, he makes like 2000 points a minute, and the whole team is killed almost instantly if you encountered him. So probably an aimbot. His name is *DELETED*
    Post edited by Ardez1 on
  • Ardez1Ardez1 Posts: 3,288
    I just encountered a hacker, he makes like 2000 points a minute, and the whole team is killed almost instantly if you encountered him. So probably an aimbot. His name is *DELETED*

    There is a strict no naming and shaming rule on this forums. Please report hackers to Nexon Support by opening a ticket.
    I am a volunteer moderator on these forums. My opinion is my own and does not represent the opinion of Splash Damage or Nexon.
  • cool forum, glad to be a part of it
  • glumChairglumChair Posts: 1
    The way this is being handles is silly. I launched the game while running NetLimiter, and now I'm permanently banned without any chance of an appeal?

    Seems kind of silly to permanently ban me just because I didn't think to come check the forums to see if the software I use to check on my ISP's performance would be counted as a "cheat" suddenly.
  • NailNail Wpg, CanadaPosts: 3,534
    artificially lowering your bandwidth is considered cheating in most games, but I'm sure you never heard of it. I'm curious, after checking your ISPs performance, wtf can you do about it ?
    moop
  • NailNail Wpg, CanadaPosts: 3,534
    @MissMurder there's a hack site advertised on most Dirty Bomb Facebook posts
    moop
  • spookifyspookify WisconsinPosts: 199
    Is there a list of most people reported that arent haxing? ;)
  • Glottis-3DGlottis-3D Posts: 418
    spookify wrote: »
    Is there a list of most people reported that arent haxing? ;)

    you, cheeky scoundrel!!
    =)
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